tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post2110582420169815881..comments2024-03-12T10:45:12.762-07:00Comments on moviesandsongs365: Film review - Black Swan (2010)Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09395044055566348346noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-23289969585822379362012-03-25T13:04:15.251-07:002012-03-25T13:04:15.251-07:00@Chip Lary: Maybe I'm a little different, in t...@Chip Lary: Maybe I'm a little different, in that added knowledge can make me appreciate a film more. I admire that you are kind of challenging my method of reviewing, not many have the guts to do so! After watching a film, I like to hear what the filmmakers intentions are, or other viewpoints (I realize a lot of people prefer to make up their own minds and don't won't to have a film explained). Once I have this info, its fun for me to watch the movie again. <br /><br />Interesting that you perceive Ryder's character as a failed suicide attempt not really intended to succeed in the first place, in order to call attention to herself. <br /><br />I suppose the lack of interest from my part in ballet is the same lack of interest anyone can have about a documentary about any particular issue. With that said, if I learn more about Swan lake etc, then that is how my interest might grow.<br /><br />Thanks for chipping in, Chip (I bet you've heard that pun before :DChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395044055566348346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-44633068337964588972012-03-25T11:26:28.116-07:002012-03-25T11:26:28.116-07:00Well, if you have to be told why you should like a...Well, if you have to be told why you should like a movie, I don't think there's much hope to actually like it that much. (Sort of like when a joke has to be explained to someone - the explaining takes all the impact away.) Perhaps it's just me. I've re-watched a few films because I wondered if I missed something, but I've never ended up liking one of them afterwards.<br /><br />It's funny about Ryder's character's fate and some of the comments. I assumed from the beginning that it was on purpose, both to end her career, and to bring the attention back to her. Most failed suicide attempts were not really intended to succeed in the first place; they are just ways to get attention.<br /><br />I can see why Black Swan would not appeal to everyone, although I am a little surprised that it being about the ballet was cited here. I know nothing about ballet, other than it requires an almost insane level of dedication to succeed, so it seemed to fit right in with Aronofsky's constant theme of obsession in all his films.Chip Laryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787403805554027107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-19093868152195026952012-03-21T12:42:43.490-07:002012-03-21T12:42:43.490-07:00@Dan: Yes, terrific performances! I would agree th...@Dan: Yes, terrific performances! I would agree that stereotypes such as overbearing parents or dysfunctional childhoods do feature quite often in movie scripts, but I guess they do in life as well. I suppose you are right that it's common for ballet dancers to have overbearing and controlling parents. What is obviously healthy is to let the child decide once they are 18, if ballet (or whatever sport) is what they love, and want to continue with, and a lot indicates Nina not having that discussion, and a chance to bail-out. It's tricky, because you love your parents and all they have done, but they have to let you be your own person. I read Andre Agassi's autobiography, and he had plenty to say about his father being his childhood coach, and pushing Agassi into tennis, was an interesting read.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395044055566348346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-9954450027887667262012-03-16T05:37:49.170-07:002012-03-16T05:37:49.170-07:00I thought this film was terrific. Haunting, immers...I thought this film was terrific. Haunting, immersive and backed up by great performances. Portman was a revelation!<br /><br />I thought the film was authentic and beautifully realised. I think you quote someone who feels the film plays on stereotypes such as overbearing parents but that is a common truth within this industry. Most ballet dancers start when they are children and can only get to the top of the game by going to very expensive dance schools funded by their suitably and unsurprisingly "overbearing" parents who are desperate to see their loved one "make" it. And also to see some payback for their investment.<br /><br />I think Aronofsky's depiction of this - in a hauntingly, surreal style - is both very affecting and unique.Danhttp://www.top10films.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-92152501713836975462012-03-14T06:55:20.974-07:002012-03-14T06:55:20.974-07:00@Andina: I know what you mean, at times I see a ne...@Andina: I know what you mean, at times I see a new film and wonder what all the fuss and praise was about. Occasionally you need the hype to die down before a film can be appreciated. I guess I'm allowed to change my mind ( : I didn't write about the competitive nature of the school in my review, I agree it's a factor in her behaviour, thanks for sharing your opinion.<br /><br />@Lisa Thatcher: I agree that the audience is distracted away from what should be the primary point of the film, Aronofsky wants to articulate the strain of the artistic process, but as you point out doesn’t go very far beneath the surface. Perhaps we are expecting too much, since it's a mainstream production for the masses, it’s after all not a thesis. We never get a clear sense of why Nina desires the role so ardently in the first place, maybe that is what is missing. If I knew why she wanted the role so badly, I think I could emphasize even more with Nina's quest.<br /><br />@NeverTooEarlyMP: I don't know if there are so many psychological twists, I don't see them, as there is not really any question that she's crazy. She's insane for a while, and then insane later too. What do I know, maybe what you see as a “twist” is different than I do? But I agree that it's a discussion of perfection on a tacit, non-verbal level. How much are you willing to sacrifice of your "normal life", for the sake of your "art", and having the self-awareness to understand when you have gone over the line of doing harm to yourself. Health and sanity come first. Thanks for sharing your opinions ( :<br /><br />@Bonjour Tristesse: Haven't seen Dario Argento's Opera, but I'm sure would add something if I had! Requiem for a dream, which I'll review in a few days, now that sticks with you for a long time.<br /><br />@Castor: Thanks for the praise. Interesting point you make that the director (like Nina) is so technically perfect but has little connection with the material. Aronofsky does appear to be more skilful and innovative technically when directing, while the story of a single-minded pursuit of a seemingly unattainable goal is kind of a rehash each time. Would be good to see Aronofsky completely change direction in future, as I feel he needs a fresh challenge. <br /><br />@3guys1movie: This thread is indeed way too serious, so glad for a little humor to lighten it up ( :<br /><br />@niels85: Thanks, yes that’s my uni days putting those opinion pieces side by side!...Tricky to say if it's reality in Black Swan, because Nina is losing her mind. As with Requiem for a dream, it's her point-of-view. The madness in Requiem was more realistic for me, because the old woman was alone in her apartment.<br />I’m more interested in insights or interpretations, than writing eloquent prose. There has to be a reason for reading...hopefully my reviews provide a little food for thought.<br />Sorry to hear you couldn't comment, nobody else has mentioned having trouble. I had problems with firefox and blogspot, messed with the lettering size. I always post with internet explorer now.<br /><br />@Sati: Glad you enjoyed my review, and you found an interpretation you hadn't heard before!<br /><br />@Max: The visuals from Black Swan are what stayed with me more than anything. Didn't hear about the Noah adaptation, thanks for the info. I read Human Nature (2013) a sci-fi film with George Clooney, is in the works, we'll see what happens!<br /><br />@Eric: Thanks! Yes Black Swan grew on me, no doubt. Hope Clint Mansell keeps working too, he's a talented composer for film. I also really like the work he did for Duncan Jones on the Moon soundtrack, made Moon a much more haunting experience!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395044055566348346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-47424746675096470432012-03-13T17:24:19.520-07:002012-03-13T17:24:19.520-07:00Great review, Chris. I am glad you enjoyed this mo...Great review, Chris. I am glad you enjoyed this more the second time around. I agree that it really is a fascinating character study, which Aronofsky does oh so well. And that score by Clint Mansell is phenomenal. I hope those two continue to work together.Erichttp://www.twscritic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-9108802002915661452012-03-13T08:29:08.281-07:002012-03-13T08:29:08.281-07:00I enjoyed this a lot more than you did. It isn'...I enjoyed this a lot more than you did. It isn't as re-watchable as I would've liked, but the lasting impression was strong. I've re-watched Social Network a lot more often even though I remember liking Black Swan more. Hopefully Aronofsky will get a big budget for his Noah adaption after the success of Black Swan.Maxhttp://www.impassionedcinema.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-30065622795520050822012-03-11T10:33:52.613-07:002012-03-11T10:33:52.613-07:00Wonderful revview and thanks so much for linking m...Wonderful revview and thanks so much for linking me! I love that interpretation of Winona Ryder's character, I never thought of that.s.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13987831438787776712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-35948015505283975632012-03-11T09:27:26.505-07:002012-03-11T09:27:26.505-07:00You make very interesting observations about the f...You make very interesting observations about the film and I like the fact that you showed us excerpts from other reviewers to make your point across. There certainly are very good film critics out there that are worth following and reading, even if we don't necessarily agree with their views on a film. <br /><br />As for Black Swan, my main problem with it was not the stereotypes or the overly tragic view it has of ballet. I feel these are simply stylistic and conceptual decisions that a director must take. I think we must take it for what it is, a story about a troubled young woman in a very difficult environment. I do not feel the film can be judged based on its realism, I don't think it was meant to be an expose on the art form, but simply a story that may or may not be taken as the norm in the ballet world. <br />Having said that, I feel "Black Swan" though stylistically beautiful and punctuated by excellent performances, especially that of Natalie Portman, was a bit predictable and overly tragic, certainly not realistic. I do agree with you in saying that it seems a bit far-fetched for everyone not to notice the lead's problems even though they were rather obvious, as it becomes also obvious that everything will end very badly for Nina. <br /><br />Requiem is definitely the better film. <br /><br />Great read. <br /><br />BTW. I have been having issues when posting on your blog, hence why I haven't been able to do it for a while. It always seems to redirect to the comment page, not allowing me to post the comment I just made. I had to change to Internet Explorer just so that it allowed me to do anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-70548160617437788162012-03-10T10:35:08.571-08:002012-03-10T10:35:08.571-08:00I thought this film was going to be terrible and i...I thought this film was going to be terrible and it turned out to be not half bad. That being said I wish Kunis and Portman had more scenes where they were making out. Nice intelligent review of the film in juxtaposition to my crude comments.3guys1moviehttp://3guys1movie.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-2421394529030457672012-03-10T06:34:06.837-08:002012-03-10T06:34:06.837-08:00Good review and insightful remarks Chris. I also w...Good review and insightful remarks Chris. I also wasn't quite as enamored with this film as most of the blogosphere although subsequent viewings somewhat tampered down my problems with it. One of the recurring line in the film is how Nina is so technically perfect but has little connection with her material, it's kind of ironic to me because that's how I felt with Aronofsky's movie.Castorhttp://www.anomalousmaterial.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-11846418569011446022012-03-09T13:02:30.322-08:002012-03-09T13:02:30.322-08:00That's an interesting psychological take on Wi...That's an interesting psychological take on Winona Ryder's character. I just saw that accident and her character's attitude towards Nina as a straight up homage to Dario Argento's Opera. Actually this film as a whole was a clumsy mixmash of the director's influences. I still found it impressive to look at, but it didn't stick with me as much as I expected.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00597866901901238462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-57257070628084843502012-03-09T11:03:22.263-08:002012-03-09T11:03:22.263-08:00Nice review. The psychological twists are what mad...Nice review. The psychological twists are what made me like this film, with the whole idea of perfection, which is also a version of supposedly perfect "femininity" and artistry as self-sacrifice. I suspect that the manipulations are probably pretty accurate to what really happens!NeverTooEarlyMPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06971628452385566511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-14435529706648657812012-03-09T10:52:19.949-08:002012-03-09T10:52:19.949-08:00I really liked your review, thanks so much!
I had ...I really liked your review, thanks so much!<br />I had a lot of problems with this film as well, though I did like Natalie Portman. I hated the set color movements from white to black - that was just stupid and labored a tired point by Aronofsky. In a lot of ways this film is really immature. I like the subject matter, but everything you say is accurate, in that the audience is distracted away from what should be the primary point of the film, and that is the discussion of the affect of the creation of art on the psyche. It is supposed to be a sister film to The Wrestler, but the message gets lost in all the fluff. I also agree with the Mila Kunis character. Thanks again for a great review.Lisa Thatcherhttp://lisathatcher.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1619249406686227577.post-48560390872274660522012-03-09T06:31:29.803-08:002012-03-09T06:31:29.803-08:00Great insight on many source, Chris. Reading Portm...Great insight on many source, Chris. Reading Portman's reasons to play Nina, she does have everything set in her mind and have depth on doing her work.<br />Sometimes some movies felt overrated and you feel like you 'have' to love it too. Happens to me too at times.<br />You said Nina's ballet school is unwell, I think it's true. I guess some schools are very competitive and it makes the people in it uncomfortable, that includes Nina who are more sensitive than others. I guess she also got influenced by the competition around her. But it's true that she doesn't know herself much (probably because her mother always treated her like a little girl).Andinahttp://www.inspired-ground.comnoreply@blogger.com